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Post by SalfordSlim on Nov 21, 2024 20:34:31 GMT
I don't need to start a war mate, we've got Trump & Putin for that.😂
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Post by russ on Nov 22, 2024 11:08:58 GMT
I don't need to start a war mate, we've got Trump & Putin for that.😂 I read this, didn't understand what it related to and then realised it was an answer to my question.
Understood !
Sometimes the reaction to posts is a bit much.
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Post by themaskedavenger on Nov 22, 2024 16:01:36 GMT
And before the usual lot jump all over what I've said I'm not saying the board are totally blameless but there are plenty of mitigating factors here. Yes there are mitigating issues and I'd want to know more as well.
Who are " the usual lot" ?
I think we all know who he is referring to. there are a certain proportion of posters on here who seem to rub their hands in glee at every slight hint of misfortune for the club which fits in with their narrative and the axe they have to grind. As with SS, I'm sure that the board (none of whom I know personally) aren't perfect, but then again all I tend to see on here is a continuous circular debate with three or 4 people constantly wittering on about how bad they are, but without ever coming up with any positive or realistic suggestions as to how they would/could deal any better with the situation that the club finds itself in. I really hope that it does indeed turn out to be just a cashflow blip caused by the extended delay in getting the stadium business over the line and new deals in place, and that the club can keep its head above the water long enough to ride it out |
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Post by cmillward20 on Nov 22, 2024 16:27:21 GMT
Yes there are mitigating issues and I'd want to know more as well.
Who are " the usual lot" ?
I think we all know who he is referring to. there are a certain proportion of posters on here who seem to rub their hands in glee at every slight hint of misfortune for the club which fits in with their narrative and the axe they have to grind. As with SS, I'm sure that the board (none of whom I know personally) aren't perfect, but then again all I tend to see on here is a continuous circular debate with three or 4 people constantly wittering on about how bad they are, but without ever coming up with any positive or realistic suggestions as to how they would/could deal any better with the situation that the club finds itself in. I really hope that it does indeed turn out to be just a cashflow blip caused by the extended delay in getting the stadium business over the line and new deals in place, and that the club can keep its head above the water long enough to ride it out No one wants to talk negatively but it’s not been positive (off the field ) for a long time now and people are getting frustrated |
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Post by bigkeev on Nov 22, 2024 16:33:41 GMT
Yes there are mitigating issues and I'd want to know more as well.
Who are " the usual lot" ?
I think we all know who he is referring to. there are a certain proportion of posters on here who seem to rub their hands in glee at every slight hint of misfortune for the club which fits in with their narrative and the axe they have to grind. As with SS, I'm sure that the board (none of whom I know personally) aren't perfect, but then again all I tend to see on here is a continuous circular debate with three or 4 people constantly wittering on about how bad they are, but without ever coming up with any positive or realistic suggestions as to how they would/could deal any better with the situation that the club finds itself in. I really hope that it does indeed turn out to be just a cashflow blip caused by the extended delay in getting the stadium business over the line and new deals in place, and that the club can keep its head above the water long enough to ride it out Absolutely this. As with most things those with the most to say on the matter very often offer no solutions to our current predicament beyond, "Well there is always something they could have have done" and when pressed for specifics only answer with "Well thats the Boards job". Based on the information we have, which is admittedly limited, it does seem to be simply a cashflow issue due to the ongoing stadium saga. Business forecasting as mentioned in the club statement is impossible without somekind of idea when new funds will be available. As far as Im concerned our request for funding is reasonable as it sits within what is essntially our share of the central funding, therefore I feel that its a reasonable request, albeit with the caveat that it would need to be the last time. Once the stadium deal is completed and these additional revenue streams are available to us, if we cant stand on our own 2 feet then Im afraid then we would have to accept that were not a viable Super League Club and would have to diminish. The financial situation of the club is what it is, Im a little confused as to what actions those forum members who you have alluded to would expect the board to take. Yes we have debt but my understanding is that a large proprtion of that pre-dates the current administration some even going back to the time of John Wilkinson. But I liken this debt to people with Interest only mortgages only paying the interest and household utilities. I believe that the hope is that some of this may be written of, and that with our additional funding we may be able to chip away at it, but it does remain a chicken that may someday come home to roost, but I dont thik the blame for this can be placed at the feet of the board. Until then we carry on as best we can and hopefully on field success can makes us an attractive proposition for someone willing to invest. Role on monday so we know where we stand. We might then even be able to spend time on the forum discussing actual Rugby. |
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Post by cmillward20 on Nov 22, 2024 16:37:46 GMT
I think we all know who he is referring to. there are a certain proportion of posters on here who seem to rub their hands in glee at every slight hint of misfortune for the club which fits in with their narrative and the axe they have to grind. As with SS, I'm sure that the board (none of whom I know personally) aren't perfect, but then again all I tend to see on here is a continuous circular debate with three or 4 people constantly wittering on about how bad they are, but without ever coming up with any positive or realistic suggestions as to how they would/could deal any better with the situation that the club finds itself in. I really hope that it does indeed turn out to be just a cashflow blip caused by the extended delay in getting the stadium business over the line and new deals in place, and that the club can keep its head above the water long enough to ride it out Absolutely this. As with most things those with the most to say on the matter very often offer no solutions to our current predicament beyond, "Well there is always something they could have have done" and when pressed for specifics only answer with "Well thats the Boards job". Based on the information we have, which is admittedly limited, it does seem to be simply a cashflow issue due to the ongoing stadium saga. Business forecasting as mentioned in the club statement is impossible without somekind of idea when new funds will be available. As far as Im concerned our request for funding is reasonable as it sits within what is essntially our share of the central funding, therefore I feel that its a reasonable request, albeit with the caveat that it would need to be the last time. Once the stadium deal is completed and these additional revenue streams are available to us, if we cant stand on our own 2 feet then Im afraid then we would have to accept that were not a viable Super League Club and would have to diminish. The financial situation of the club is what it is, Im a little confused as to what actions those forum members who you have alluded to would expect the board to take. Yes we have debt but my understanding is that a large proprtion of that pre-dates the current administration some even going back to the time of John Wilkinson. But I liken this debt to people with Interest only mortgages only paying the interest and household utilities. I believe that the hope is that some of this may be written of, and that with our additional funding we may be able to chip away at it, but it does remain a chicken that may someday come home to roost, but I dont thik the blame for this can be placed at the feet of the board. Until then we carry on as best we can and hopefully on field success can makes us an attractive proposition for someone willing to invest. Role on monday so we know where we stand. We might then even be able to spend time on the forum discussing actual Rugby. Not particularly bothered about Monday as we will most likely get the money it depends what caveats are there. We really need to council to pull there finger out |
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Post by themaskedavenger on Nov 22, 2024 16:56:33 GMT
Not particularly bothered about Monday as we will most likely get the money it depends what caveats are there. We really need to council to pull there finger out We do, or at least for there to be some sort of progress. I'm sure that the club are doing everything they can to try to keep things moving on that front. That may be partially the reason why there has been so little news about what's going on with the deal - the final negotiations that seem to still be taking place clearly aren't over the line yet, and kicking up a fuss and going public with concerns runs the risk of either the politicians, whose overriding interest will always be maintaining their own position, or Peel, who care about nothing other than profit, taking their ball home and just causing further delays. there seems to be a general assumption with a lot of folk (and the social media channels are even more hysterical for this) that unless you are being provided with every last detail of what is going on, either it isn't happening, or someone is trying to pull the wool over your eyes. To anyone who thinks that way I'll just pose this one question - what would be the motive, what do you really think the club board would be seeking to gain by doing that? |
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Post by SalfordSlim on Nov 22, 2024 17:05:04 GMT
I think we all know who he is referring to. there are a certain proportion of posters on here who seem to rub their hands in glee at every slight hint of misfortune for the club which fits in with their narrative and the axe they have to grind. As with SS, I'm sure that the board (none of whom I know personally) aren't perfect, but then again all I tend to see on here is a continuous circular debate with three or 4 people constantly wittering on about how bad they are, but without ever coming up with any positive or realistic suggestions as to how they would/could deal any better with the situation that the club finds itself in. I really hope that it does indeed turn out to be just a cashflow blip caused by the extended delay in getting the stadium business over the line and new deals in place, and that the club can keep its head above the water long enough to ride it out No one wants to talk negatively but it’s not been positive (off the field ) for a long time now and people are getting frustrated Sadly I've got to disagree. Even when things are going swimmingly some fans just come across as though they want the club to fail. I get there are 2 sides to every story but we could be getting 10k crowds every week, winning trophies and raking in hefty profits and some people would still want to drag the club down. |
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Post by russ on Nov 22, 2024 17:39:17 GMT
No one wants to talk negatively but it’s not been positive (off the field ) for a long time now and people are getting frustrated Sadly I've got to disagree. Even when things are going swimmingly some fans just come across as though they want the club to fail. I get there are 2 sides to every story but we could be getting 10k crowds every week, winning trophies and raking in hefty profits and some people would still want to drag the club down. Making your point and having an opinion is one thing banging the same drum again and again is another.
The club seem quite organised, sensible and level headed at this juncture but I do worry that this will be used to downgrade according to the nonsense that the IMG Ofsted rating bring to the game.
The treatment or dismissive attitude toward RL in the media is the key to everything and no matter how often you ask IMG and the RL media don't seem to address this question at all or in the most pathetic and limited sense.
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Post by themaskedavenger on Nov 22, 2024 18:02:29 GMT
The club seem quite organised, sensible and level headed at this juncture but I do worry that this will be used to downgrade according to the nonsense that the IMG Ofsted rating bring to the game. The treatment or dismissive attitude toward RL in the media is the key to everything and no matter how often you ask IMG and the RL media don't seem to address this question at all or in the most pathetic and limited sense. other than arranging a series of hoops for the clubs to jump through, I'm really bamboozled as to how IMG managed to sell their proposals to the RFL, as I can't see a single thing contained within there that would indicate any sort of strategy to grow the game, either within the traditional catchment areas or farther afield. All of the nonsense about having digital screens, points for how many clicks you get on a youtube video etc. may potentially enhance the matchday experience for a small number of fans, but I can't for the life of me see how it reaches beyond the existing captive audience. As for the whole "no promotion/relegation based upon where you finish" followed by "well we might still promote but we'll choose who to relegate a different way", then followed by "actually we might not relegate at all and then we'll change the size of the competition and the fixture format" is only ever going to serve to confuse, bemuse and put-off those who are looking at the sport from the outside (despite the fact that a simple league of 14/15 teams each playing each other twice would be miles better than the current convoluted system that determines the loop fixtures) |
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Post by russ on Nov 22, 2024 19:15:10 GMT
The club seem quite organised, sensible and level headed at this juncture but I do worry that this will be used to downgrade according to the nonsense that the IMG Ofsted rating bring to the game. The treatment or dismissive attitude toward RL in the media is the key to everything and no matter how often you ask IMG and the RL media don't seem to address this question at all or in the most pathetic and limited sense. other than arranging a series of hoops for the clubs to jump through, I'm really bamboozled as to how IMG managed to sell their proposals to the RFL, as I can't see a single thing contained within there that would indicate any sort of strategy to grow the game, either within the traditional catchment areas or farther afield. All of the nonsense about having digital screens, points for how many clicks you get on a youtube video etc. may potentially enhance the matchday experience for a small number of fans, but I can't for the life of me see how it reaches beyond the existing captive audience. As for the whole "no promotion/relegation based upon where you finish" followed by "well we might still promote but we'll choose who to relegate a different way", then followed by "actually we might not relegate at all and then we'll change the size of the competition and the fixture format" is only ever going to serve to confuse, bemuse and put-off those who are looking at the sport from the outside (despite the fact that a simple league of 14/15 teams each playing each other twice would be miles better than the current convoluted system that determines the loop fixtures) You make the points in capital letters, neon signage, band playing and over the loud speaker.
If you're of a Gary Hetherington frame of mind you see the games problems as all found inside the game ...... so this begs the questions: How does this help the sport develop? In what way does this increase public perceptions, enjoyment or widen the general public's awareness of the sport?
If you're a Leeds administrator among others you see the problems of the sport as the fault of the bottom end of SL not the ridiculous position of the game in the wider consciousness of the country as a whole. The "lower" clubs are seen as the weights holding the sport back.
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Post by JJR on Nov 23, 2024 21:52:56 GMT
Heard Dellboy has got a great new shirt sponsor for Leigh
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Post by reddevil89 on Nov 23, 2024 22:59:45 GMT
Good for him, look I live in Leigh and the way the club is run behind the scenes is top notch, they had a sponsor breakfast the other morning for the fixture release, with 2 new players on hand to do q&a, people don't like degsy but he certainly putting them on the map regarding rugby league
Reebok there shirt makers aswell
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Post by dixon13 on Nov 24, 2024 0:11:48 GMT
Good for him, look I live in Leigh and the way the club is run behind the scenes is top notch, they had a sponsor breakfast the other morning for the fixture release, with 2 new players on hand to do q&a, people don't like degsy but he certainly putting them on the map regarding rugby league Reebok there shirt makers aswell Yes but a while ago when it wasn't going so well he took his map home |
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Post by reddevil89 on Nov 24, 2024 10:27:13 GMT
Yes then came back, now look at them, doing things right on and off the field, miles behind them off field wise
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