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Post by BDD on Oct 3, 2023 14:00:47 GMT
The stadium and therefore applications for funding is understandable. The TV deal is garbage. But, there are two things that I don't understand how they've happened.
Firstly, if realignment was based on an assurance of £1.5m and that isn't happening then surely realignment shouldn't be able to proceed or there is a contract being broken somewhere.
Secondly, "On top of that, ahead of the 2023 season, we were assured of 22% of all matchday food & beverage sales, however this has failed to materialise. Alongside our increase in attendances this season, this is a sizeable sum that we are now without." Again, I don't get how this has happened. Surely, there is a contract that stipulate that the new partners pay us this 22%? If not they are in breach of contract. Bring on new partners and sue the current ones for what's owed. Or are these two things verbal agreements and nobody has bothered to get them in an actual contract?
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Post by BIMBAM on Oct 3, 2023 14:13:05 GMT
Just get the feeling we are being shafted from all angles at the moment. I don’t think the stadium purchase will be a quick thing and can see that being dragged out later into next year. Why was the club promoting anything to do with food/meals at the stadium if they were in dispute over payment?
If the club has known about a £300k shortfall for eight months, why is it only being made public now?
I know at meetings it was mentioned and new staff were introduced, but I just wonder how much our non playing staff payroll is now?
I’ve bought my season tickets and I’ll be there no matter what, but there does seem to be a few grey areas.
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Post by redoctober on Oct 3, 2023 14:23:07 GMT
Just get the feeling we are being shafted from all angles at the moment. I don’t think the stadium purchase will be a quick thing and can see that being dragged out later into next year. Why was the club promoting anything to do with food/meals at the stadium if they were in dispute over payment? If the club has known about a £300k shortfall for eight months, why is it only being made public now? I know at meetings it was mentioned and new staff were introduced, but I just wonder how much our non playing staff payroll is now? I’ve bought my season tickets and I’ll be there no matter what, but there does seem to be a few grey areas. The letter says the RFL knew for 8 months rather than the club. The club are complaining the RFL has sat on it. My understanding is our back office staff numbers are very low. I guess we have non playing staff on the football side - Blease, Physio’s etc |
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Post by BIMBAM on Oct 3, 2023 14:54:15 GMT
I just really feel for everyone trying to make a go of the club. Only to have the rug pulled from under them by outside factors. I know we will get behind them as usual, but it would be nice to compete on a level financial playing field.
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Post by cmillward20 on Oct 3, 2023 15:10:30 GMT
It’s a crap situation they’re literally nothing to look forward to at the club right now it’s all gone tits up.
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Post by mauricethered on Oct 3, 2023 15:14:34 GMT
Just get the feeling we are being shafted from all angles at the moment. I don’t think the stadium purchase will be a quick thing and can see that being dragged out later into next year. Why was the club promoting anything to do with food/meals at the stadium if they were in dispute over payment? If the club has known about a £300k shortfall for eight months, why is it only being made public now? I know at meetings it was mentioned and new staff were introduced, but I just wonder how much our non playing staff payroll is now? I’ve bought my season tickets and I’ll be there no matter what, but there does seem to be a few grey areas. The letter says the RFL knew for 8 months rather than the club. The club are complaining the RFL has sat on it. My understanding is our back office staff numbers are very low. I guess we have non playing staff on the football side - Blease, Physio’s etc The club got told about the shortfall a few weeks ago, the season was done. The **** house RL Commercial choose to sit on this funding cut for 6 months then tell all Super League Clubs. This is not Salford's fault it is the RL Commercial however the food and drink profit share situation is a **** show. It is inevitable now the club will sell players which is a shame, unfortunately this is unavoidable and the vultures will circle. We do not need fans blaming the board, the RL Commercials inability to manage finances has caused this. |
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Post by SalfordSlim on Oct 3, 2023 15:17:03 GMT
Yeah it's grim reading. We have to keep hold of Brodie though and build the team around him and only let him go when an Aus team comes in with big money. Does anyone know what the situation is with the £1m funding from the government which we've applied for to match the money raised via the stakeholder scheme? I think the letter mentions that they are waiting on the Stadium outcome before they can proceed with the application, meaning that it's likely that they'll miss the October window for submission. Yeah my bad... I read the email while on a Teams call so it didn't fully sink in! |
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Post by cmillward20 on Oct 3, 2023 15:19:28 GMT
The letter says the RFL knew for 8 months rather than the club. The club are complaining the RFL has sat on it. My understanding is our back office staff numbers are very low. I guess we have non playing staff on the football side - Blease, Physio’s etc The club got told about the shortfall a few weeks ago, the season was done. The **** house RFL choose to sit on this funding cut for 6 months then tell all Super League Clubs. This is not Salford's fault it is the RFL however the food and drink profit share situation is a **** show. It is inevitable now the club will sell players which is a shame, unfortunately this is unavoidable and the vultures will circle. We do not need fans blaming the board, the RFL's inability to manage finances has caused this. Feel like the next few year will be back to trying to avoid relegation rather than looking up the league. Which unfortunately could undo the work we’ve done to grow crowd |
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Post by Carnster on Oct 3, 2023 15:30:13 GMT
The club got told about the shortfall a few weeks ago, the season was done. The **** house RFL choose to sit on this funding cut for 6 months then tell all Super League Clubs. This is not Salford's fault it is the RFL however the food and drink profit share situation is a **** show. It is inevitable now the club will sell players which is a shame, unfortunately this is unavoidable and the vultures will circle. We do not need fans blaming the board, the RFL's inability to manage finances has caused this. Feel like the next few year will be back to trying to avoid relegation rather than looking up the league. Which unfortunately could undo the work we’ve done to grow crowd I think we shouldn't put the cart before the horse on this. It's going to be a long enough off-season as it is. |
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Post by lhred on Oct 3, 2023 15:33:19 GMT
We can blame the board to an extent,the food and drink think doesn’t add up to me so what’s happened there and we got nearly 600 thousand for share and Dupree,I just feel we need someone really professional to run the show because speaking to a couple of sponsors we certainly arnt!I think it’s time to admit we need fresh blood running the club,either that or we slowly die,and yes I know it sounds easy typing it!I thought we would have got some serious people involved after the share scheme but it doesn’t seem to have happened
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Post by mauricethered on Oct 3, 2023 16:08:58 GMT
We can blame the board to an extent,the food and drink think doesn’t add up to me so what’s happened there and we got nearly 600 thousand for share and Dupree,I just feel we need someone really professional to run the show because speaking to a couple of sponsors we certainly arnt!I think it’s time to admit we need fresh blood running the club,either that or we slowly die,and yes I know it sounds easy typing it!I thought we would have got some serious people involved after the share scheme but it doesn’t seem to have happened JJR any thoughts................ LH Red we have not even set up the sub committees yet for the new venture it is work in progress. |
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Post by lordlucan on Oct 3, 2023 19:28:49 GMT
Spot on you need to be professional about it,and offer something in return ( usually publicity in newmarkets) and as a professional you will appreciate this. But the point was let's not be parochial,let's THINK about a wider( much wider) demographic! Trying to run RL clubs outside traditional areas when union band you also teaches you to be thick skinned and persistent ( some even say stubon). I agree about not being parochial. Unfortunately, it would seem that we are going to have Featherstone in the Superleague in 2024.😢, A town with no more than fourteen thousand residents. If you were a were a Well-known business in the UK & Mainland Europe Would you spend money sponsoring a team whose exposure of their brand is, for example, on a cold, wet evening at the end of February-beginning of March??. But for many rugby-league supporters a trip to Featherstone is something to look forward to. I'd rather pay a lot more money to visit London for a match than these Traditional Heartlands teams & supporters that believe they are Somehow, have a right to be in the Superleague even though it's a lifetime since they've been a big name. Featherstone have been so successful in attracting sponsorship that less than 5% of their monthly spend comes from central funding. They have a fabulous array of sponsors which has helped create a team that was the runaway league leaders in the Championship this year. Meanwhile London Broncos - capital city London, with their 9 million population - have played all season without a main sponsor on their jersey, because they haven't managed to attract one.
As an aside, Fev may have a population of 14,000 but their average home gates are about 5 times London's this season.
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Post by kreuzbergred on Oct 3, 2023 19:35:47 GMT
I agree about not being parochial. Unfortunately, it would seem that we are going to have Featherstone in the Superleague in 2024.😢, A town with no more than fourteen thousand residents. If you were a were a Well-known business in the UK & Mainland Europe Would you spend money sponsoring a team whose exposure of their brand is, for example, on a cold, wet evening at the end of February-beginning of March??. But for many rugby-league supporters a trip to Featherstone is something to look forward to. I'd rather pay a lot more money to visit London for a match than these Traditional Heartlands teams & supporters that believe they are Somehow, have a right to be in the Superleague even though it's a lifetime since they've been a big name. Featherstone have been so successful in attracting sponsorship that less than 5% of their monthly spend comes from central funding. They have a fabulous array of sponsors which has helped create a team that was the runaway league leaders in the Championship this year. Meanwhile London Broncos - capital city London, with their 9 million population - have played all season without a main sponsor on their jersey, because they haven't managed to attract one.
As an aside, Fev may have a population of 14,000 but their average home gates are about 5 times London's this season.
Rugby-league will be losing a lot of central funding from Sport England, I believe, because attendances have fallen in Rugby-league as a whole, Another team from a small geographical area isn't going to help attendances apart from a local derby, And the Featherstone supporters how many times has aggro happened when they play and lets not forget some of their fans casual racism that seems to be put down to banter in those parts, And the owner, Will he even be out of prison to watch them in 2024. For me, a away game is about the overall experience off the pitch as well as i the pitch, and Featherstone gets a zero for that. |
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Post by lordlucan on Oct 3, 2023 20:00:18 GMT
Featherstone have been so successful in attracting sponsorship that less than 5% of their monthly spend comes from central funding. They have a fabulous array of sponsors which has helped create a team that was the runaway league leaders in the Championship this year. Meanwhile London Broncos - capital city London, with their 9 million population - have played all season without a main sponsor on their jersey, because they haven't managed to attract one.
As an aside, Fev may have a population of 14,000 but their average home gates are about 5 times London's this season.
Rugby-league will be losing a lot of central funding from Sport England, I believe, because attendances have fallen in Rugby-league as a whole, Another team from a small geographical area isn't going to help attendances apart from a local derby, And the Featherstone supporters how many times has aggro happened when they play and lets not forget some of their fans casual racism that seems to be put down to banter in those parts, And the owner, Will he even be out of prison to watch them in 2024. For me, a away game is about the overall experience off the pitch as well as i the pitch, and Featherstone gets a zero for that. I see you've done a swift side step from the issue of sponsorship after I put you straight about that. Yes, Fev do have a problem with a section of their supporters, as do a number of clubs - indeed, I have spoken to some friends who are Hull KR fans and from their descriptions the behaviour of some Salford fans at the game at Hull KR last month was far worse than anything that's been seen at Featherstone this year. But back to your original point - you don't want Featherstone in SL because you want teams with bigger attendances, but you do want London, who are attracting about 500-600 to their home games? |
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Post by kreuzbergred on Oct 3, 2023 20:14:29 GMT
Rugby-league will be losing a lot of central funding from Sport England, I believe, because attendances have fallen in Rugby-league as a whole, Another team from a small geographical area isn't going to help attendances apart from a local derby, And the Featherstone supporters how many times has aggro happened when they play and lets not forget some of their fans casual racism that seems to be put down to banter in those parts, And the owner, Will he even be out of prison to watch them in 2024. For me, a away game is about the overall experience off the pitch as well as i the pitch, and Featherstone gets a zero for that. I see you've done a swift side step from the issue of sponsorship after I put you straight about that. Yes, Fev do have a problem with a section of their supporters, as do a number of clubs - indeed, I have spoken to some friends who are Hull KR fans and from their descriptions the behaviour of some Salford fans at the game at Hull KR last month was far worse than anything that's been seen at Featherstone this year. But back to your original point - you don't want Featherstone in SL because you want teams with bigger attendances, but you do want London, who are attracting about 500-600 to their home games? I do not have knowledge of every Championship clubs sponsorship finances, nor would I want to. You seem to not see the big picture Rugby-league in the UK. Is crying out for a Superleague team in London, London, Broncos had more media coverage in their one season outside of the North of England, Than having yet another Superleague team within a 15 minute's drive of another, It just confirms what a lot of what people outside of rugby-league and people who used to watch regularly believe is too Parochial Apart from Catalan Dragons, can ever compete for more money and media coverage. Featherstone may have lots of local companies putting in money, but Will these organisations still stick with them in 2025 ,when they are back playing in the Championship .I doubt it. |
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